Illegal immigration and Fiancé Visa

Does it seem a little messed up that there are over 12 million ILLEGAL immigrates in this country living and working illegally and it is such a major hassle to get an Fiancé visa for someone you want to marry?

It seems to me that there should be a Dating Visa. If you meet some one you want to date then you should be able to get her a visa with zero hassle.

I’m posting this on the evening of the 500,000 illegal immigrant march in Los Angeles.

I once dated a girl that I met in Spain. She lived here with me on a tourist visa for almost five years. That was pre 9/11.

And while I’m on the subject wouldn’t it be easier to just fly your fiancé in to Tijuana and walk across the border. I mean how many ILLEGALs cross that way each year anyway?

[Lostagain]

Red, there is no logic in our immigration policy as it pertains to L. Am. Looking for it, logic that is, will only give you an horrendous headache.

Maybe it's time to think about a E.U. system vis-a-vi other American countries, where anyone from the Americas can go to any other country in the Americas when ever he feels like it. After the initial rush on the U.S., things would probably reach an equalibrium. And, it would certainly give the U.S. reason to relfect a little on its L.Am. interventions that add to, and even create, tremendous migratory pressures. I realize this is a counter intuitive and certainly unpopular point of view at this point in time, but in the long run it might be the only way to deal with the realities of the situation.

L.A.

[Cap'n Jib]

Redfish,

Welcome to the board.

Quote: “If you meet some one you want to date then you should be able to get her a visa with zero hassle.”

Your observation is right on! The only problem I see is that it makes sense. If we were indeed a free country then the law would already be on the books (after all it is only law-gical). BUT, we are losing our rights and freedoms everyday.
Hell...we are giving them away.

What type of country would we have IF we did not have ‘someone’ telling us what to do or what was best for us? Chaos, Sir absolute chaos! I can not speak for you, but I certainly feel much better knowing that there is a bureaucracy preventing me from following my own wishes. Especially in matters of the heart!

As to the other matter of coming in via Tijuana, are you willing to risk getting trampled in the rush?

Leave it to LostAgain to suggest something that would work.

[Lostagain]

What is interesting and a bit ironic is that there is a major migration of retired people heading south to México. Pretty soon, México is going to have an "inmigración" problem of its own as they increasingly are burdened with taking care of a bunch of older estadosunidenses. It's a sad commentary on our society that our older citizens, likely including me in a few years, have to leave their own country when they retire because they can no longer affor to live here.

Thankfully, there are a whole lot of younger L.Am's. who are willing to come here and work and keep money flowing into Social Security. Whether with a fake or valid SSN, they help keep the system afloat (to use a nautical metaphor). We need to recruit more, not build walls to exclude them.

But then, I kind of have an uncommon view on Latino immigration. One of my all time favorite scenes from a movie is the finale in "Born in East L.A." I always want to stand up and cheer.

L.A.

[Cap'n Jib]

Quote: " I always want to stand up and cheer.”

Me too! It’s just the older I get, there appears to be less and less reasons to do so. Reality (or my version of it) tends to force me to not accept excuses as easily.

Love those nautical metaphors!

[fitnessdoc]

Ok, I was going to start a new topic on the broken immigration system here in the good 'ol USA, and then I found this thread. This whole amnesty for illegal immigants (while I can't even buy a tourist visa for my Colombian amiga) is pissing me off to the point of filing a suit against our beloved government. Any of the lawyers who frequent this site think that this would actually work? The logic of the immigration system in this country is...well totally illogical. So the government is turning a blind eye to all those who walk across the border illegally, yet if you try to bring someone into this country legally you will be denied. I'm not even talking about a permanent resident visa; I'm talking about a sworn affidavit-garnish my wages-throw me in jail if she doesn't go back in 3 months tourist visa. Believe me; I tried. Try to get a tourist visa for a Colombiana (who is not in the top 1% of wage earners) and see what happens...nothing absolutely nothing...denied without question even if you can demonstrate the ability to support the person while they are in this country. Redfish's suggestion of flying them to Tijuana and then coming across is sounding more and more "logical" every day.

Originally posted by redfish:
Does it seem a little messed up that there are over 12 million ILLEGAL immigrates in this country living and working illegally and it is such a major hassle to get an Fiancé visa for someone you want to marry?

It seems to me that there should be a Dating Visa. If you meet some one you want to date then you should be able to get her a visa with zero hassle.

I’m posting this on the evening of the 500,000 illegal immigrant march in Los Angeles.

I once dated a girl that I met in Spain. She lived here with me on a tourist visa for almost five years. That was pre 9/11.

And while I’m on the subject wouldn’t it be easier to just fly your fiancé in to Tijuana and walk across the border. I mean how many ILLEGALs cross that way each year anyway?

So whats your point Redfish? a dating visa? a girlfriend visa? You seem to be well versed in circumventing the system, so I guess the current illegal situation shouldnt make you lose sleep at night.

It seems messed up that people have been crossing into this country en mass illegally for the last 40 years and just NOW they want to address the issue and do something about it.

Sure, lets just blame someone else for our troubles.

Attn:Lost, right on! A EU type of visa could be done. IMHO, I think that the ACLU should champion this type of legislation.

[Lostagain]

If you try to make sense out of what has happened to our immigration laws, especially since 9/11, you will make your head explode. There is no logic; only an incomprehensible bureaucracy.

[Austin]

i'll chime in more on this later since i'm exhausted after a 21 hour day, but suffice to say that the whole immigration march thing has been super active here in socal of late.

i was talking to my dad the other day about it, and put it into perspective for him. i could not enter another country illegally to work and live, and expect that country to just "take me in".

i would have to go through the proper channels, complete the proper documents and wait for that country to process and accept me, in order to do everything above board. otherwise, i risk all kinds of repercussions.

why should it be any different for anyone else to do the same here in the u.s.? it shouldn't be...the entire notion of giving any of these people a free pass, because they've already been here for a period of time, is total stupidity.

[Felipe]

I have to agree with Austin. Letting the illegals become legal here is a slap in the face to anyone who had come here legally, and a slap in the face of anyone trying to come here legally. We have had this amnesty crud before, and now we have 11 million illegals wanting amnesty now. My opinion, is to close the border, up the legal immigration numbers from many countries, and deport the illegals. And why don't the news reporters ask the tough questions, such as : Why can't these people find decent paying work in their own country?