The Brazilian Bachelor

[TomCat]

http://brazilianbachelor.blogspot.com/

This guy, an MRA in Brazil, has some interesting info. on Brazilian women. Here's some tidbits you may find useful:

" Divorce laws in Brazil
A visitor asked me in the last post about it. He was planning to get here to find some women.

First of all, we have all the 50/50 stuff. Like in the USA, although less severe I guess. But it's still there. And yes, there's child support. Law here LOVES the "poor, opressed". Not just women, but anyone that they deem innocent and powerless.

I do not recommend getting here to open a business. Taxes are around 40% and public services sucks.

Also, the judgements are so impredictable. Usually, the more correct you are the more you get ****ed.

Here the more you work the less you get, and the more you work the more you get ****ed. Effort does NOT mean rewards around here. Any doubt? Go do a search about politics around here.

He asked me if some regions has some good women. I do not know many parts of my country personally, so I am not pretend I do know everything. But I know many people from other regions, and I can say from these people it doesn't differ much. I meet some good ones, all in small cities (Fortaleza IS NOT GOOD) and all of them were young (18-25). But I can say that this doesn't mean they're not going to change. I've seen some turn into full-featured *****es too.

That's what I can think about it right now. If there's any more questions, I am willing to help.

posted by Brazilian Bachelor at 8:42 PM"

"You got it, in fact. It's really being treated like a king from women in their prime years. This all until marriage, that is the point.

If you want to have some fun, you're more than welcome. In fact, you'll be very pleased, that's for sure. What I am trying to avoid here is people who think Brazil have this endless supply of wife material, as I see left and right. The point is, foreign men come here and women seem him as super wealthy. This is good for you for fun purposes, but you have to be uber careful not to be exploited, especially if you plan to marry. But if you do not, no big deal then. You sure will have a great time.

If you do not plan to marry, go to places that have more beautiful women. Maybe americans have a different taste, but Fortaleza is famous in Brazil for its ugly women. You mentioned Florianopolis. Go there! It's beautiful women everywhere. And they treat you really nice, and are fun. And the city has some great places to visit.

Some people want to get here to find a woman, marry, and live here. I commented about business here because if that's what they're planning to do, better think a little more.

But that's it. If you want fun from young ladies and be treated like a king (until marriage, LOL), come here. Again (and again and again, I am going to repeat this forever), what I am trying to avoid like hell is people who thinks that marriage here is heaven. It is not. It's the same stuff you see in every other country. But, let me repeat, for fun it's heaven. Especially for foreign men who come here with the benefit of being seen as more wealthy than the brazilian men, and the novelty that comes with a unknown person.

If anyone have any more questions, just ask."

"From the pictures you provided, you're going to DIE going to Salvador (it's not El Salvador, that's a contry name heh!). Except for the third picture (http://www.latineuro.com/detail.php?...5887&search=1). That kind of women you'll find in packs at Florianopolis (also Porto Alegre)

Rio has a lot of hot women but they are full of ****. Also, it's not a cheap place -- in Salvador for example you're going to eat like a king very cheaply -- and full of crime. Same goes for São Paulo. Don't go there -- from what you provided, there are other great places like those I mentioned."

"But let me say (again) that you ought to do this just for fun. Do NOT try to marry any girl from here, or even have a serious relationship. The traps are the same."

[STM]

Good stuff, Mr Gringos should be reading this, or maybe he is already in the blog.

I disagree with some of his logic and ideas. Is this dude even American? His grammer skills, or lack there of gives off that he might be Brazilian. If this guy has real, valid opinions and wants constructive feedback, he should join a legit discussion Forum like GringoTalk.

Bottom line - I see Blogs like tattoos, a fad.

[TomCat]

Originally Posted by Gringos.com

I disagree with some of his logic and ideas. Is this dude even American? His grammer skills, or lack there of gives off that he might be Brazilian. If this guy has a real, valid opinions and wants constructive feedback, he should join a legit discussion Forum like GringoTalk.

Bottom line - I see Blogs like tattoos, a fad.

He's Brazilian. His English isn't the best, but I thought he had some interesting insights.

TomCat, thanks for posting, and yes, I enjoyed the read. Of course his views are valid because he is Brazilian. I found the article interesting and funny. Again, something different coming from a local. We can all learn from that!

[NunoEFSilva]

Ok, so this young guy has a car "bought cheap and with many many hp's for (him) to have fun". But I don't read anything about a mortgage or owning a house (only about his mother's house). Jobs to this fellow appear to be an on today, off tomorrow kind of thing. He declares out of hand he will never marry. (That's fine with me!)
No commitments, no responsibilities and no obligations; golly, I would like that! But isn't life a bit more complex? Things I could forgo when I was 20ish, I do need today. If I want a nice Lady to treat me like a king, I must treat her like the Princess she sure is; should I not?!

This is a still studying post-teenager (and apparently still much into the 'machismo' traditional sub-culture), in his early 20s, living in a big city - his opinions should be seen in that context.

All that said, it pains me to admit he is right on a lot (but not all) of the things he points out about Brazilian women (caveat: in the big metropolises).

Let's examine some of his claims.

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"Many people here, not only women but men as well, would love to go to countries like USA to work. You get paid twice, even not more, to do the same jobs we do here. And some jobs you don't want to do (like cleaning), people here would gladly do it for wages that we pay here, imagine if they can earn what you pay there!! Plus the fact that American men are richer in general than most of Brazilian men. No surprise that they flock to you when you come. Yes, they're easy around here."
[September 17, 2006 (2006.09.17) 7:26 PM]

That is (put in another way) what I've been writing about. The work market in Brazil is swamped with people with low or little demanded skills, leaving many chronically unemployed or sub-employed. Wages are low relative to fixed costs. The economy is mostly agrarian and manufacturing, with still little service-based diversification, and that only in the metropolis. Higher educated, well prepared, experienced people are at a premium.

A 'Gringo' is axiomatically (viewed as) a 'Rich Gringo'. Men would like to rob them (if they could); women tend to use other methods ("they're easy").

But all this only makes sense in a culture of extreme individualism, weakened family and moral values and a mindless competitive rat race; meaning, again, the big cities: half a million strong and bigger.

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"You can find some real quality women here, but in very odd places, some you never take notice cause you will not hear about them, they're completely out of the tourist stuff. Only if you dig real deep. And there's still some risk, as some women, many actually, I've found making a mess with foreign men ARE from these places I'm mentioning. So no guarantees there too."
[September 17, 2006 (2006.09.17) 7:26 PM]

I totally agree with him. That's how you're sure to find a good wife in Brazil. 'Go West, young man, go west'. One has to go to the inner Brazil, and for that one needs to know some Portuguese.

So, if he knows 'the recipe', why is this guy complaining so much?
(Because those staid, family-oriented, loyal girls are not "easy"?)

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"There are nice women here. (...) I dare say they are more gold diggers (...) and women here have to work, they do not really have a choice.
[November 11, 2006 (2006.11.11) 6:42 PM]

All true. There are a lot of gold diggers. Indeed 'rings of mutual advice' are nascent.

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Brazilian men are not those macho latino types. In fact, most of them are pussy-whipped as one can be. Even in ghetto areas... she can hit them if they deem necessary (yes, hit). I am tired of hearing stories about men who got kicked out of his house (and that is without law enforcement) by his girlfriend/wife. And he later begs to go back. Two days sleeping on the sofa, he is now a good puppy, she forgives him for, say, getting drunk with his friends after a week of hard work. Brazilian men thinks when he got a woman he got lucky.
[November 11, 2006 (2006.11.11) 6:42 PM]

Partly true. Nowhere does he refer what a guy has to do to get kicked out in the first place. Usually he is caught f**k**g the neighbor girl. (Fã da vizinha!)

Reverse the situation - how would you feel? The good news: they even forgive a couple of times. Third strike, you're out. (Sounds familiar?)

(to continue)

[NunoEFSilva]

"Divorce laws in Brazil
First of all, we have all the 50/50 stuff. Like in the USA, although less severe I guess. But it's still there. And yes, there's child support. Law here LOVES the 'poor, opressed'. Not just women, but anyone that they deem innocent and powerless.
I do not recommend getting here to open a business. Taxes are around 40% and public services sucks.
Also, the judgements are so impredictable. Usually, the more correct you are the more you get ****ed."
[November 12, 2006 (2006.11.12) 8:42 PM]

I'm divorcing a Brazilian 'Piranha' (gold digger). I should know a thing or two.

"The 50/50 stuff" only applies if:
1) There are children of the present union;
2) She can not work for a living, or is extremely destitute; and
3) She managed to secure a GOOD Lawyer...

If one goes there, picks the girl away from family and job - let's be fair! - what can a guy expect?

Happily alimony (when granted) is usally only for her to eat, or just about. Meaning on the order of one Brazilian minimum wage (350 Reais <=> 165 Bucks a month). A 50/50 split is rare!

If we're talking about a gold digger that turned against you in the U.S. (mine did as soon as she got here; and she did something despicable; I'm due to write that down) it is very easy to put her in her place (I did, and pronto) and ship her back - with minimal fuss. Besides most Brazilians are terrified of Lawyers (which for me are just legal techs) and IMHO Brazilian justice, albeit slow, is not so off the mark as this guy suggests. BTW, did he ever go to court? (In Brazil)

Hey, after putting her back in Brazil, you are out-of-jurisdiction; you only pay if you feel like it. Even Brazilian males do that with impunity (and a fair Lawyer). Besides, this is common law, not criminal law, and does not cross state boundaries - you can go back picking out-of-state girls. Unethical, but amazingly true.

That is not where the big s**t is. Amicable divorce is a two step dance. First the court declares "Separation of Bodies and Assets". Both need to agree. But it TAKES TWO YEARS. Then any of the two can initiate Divorce proceedings - the other can not oppose that anymore. And it TAKES ANOTHER YEAR. That is the big problem!

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"...they're having sex with the thugs and getting stoned every time they can. (...) They think that they are free to do everything without any consequences."
[November 15, 2006 (2006.11.15) 11:28 PM]

Truth. Unfortunately.
Again. This goes on only in them...

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"They want casual irresponsible sex in their 20s and a wallet in their 30s. I don't give a flying ****. What I know is that I DO NOT want that this way -- if a girl spends her youth chasing dick, I am out."
[November 18, 2006 (2006.11.18) 7:39 PM]

True enough. Gals in Brazil are as reckless as boys. But equality is this.

If you're young you have to try harder. 'Women's needs' seem to be mythology or crypto-code for this guy! Someone please help him out with '101 of Good Sex: Cunnilingus'?!...

He himself says "We get better when we get old. Women do not." So what is the fuss all about?

If this bitter guy doesn't cut it, at least he should learn how to wait his turn patiently...

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"Now I know a little better why her relationship with my father failed. She stopped working after a while, and my daddy could not earn enough money to pay the bills. He ended up dying anyway, depressed.
I wonder why she gave up her "freedom" -- that work provided, as she said."
[November 19, 2006 (2006.11.19) 12:09 PM]

Now we're getting somewhere - this guy has issues even with his mother!

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"The women bus!
A brazilian city, Goiânia, in the state of Goiás, will have buses for women only.
The politicians said that it is meant to protect women from sexual harassment.
I, expecting the worse of brazilian men, was impressed to see that men from Goiânia thinks that decision is stupid. But the women, of course, no.
One man said: 'that's the way politicians are. Now the only thing that's missing is a law to make the bus a pink one, useless stuff like this.'.
Another asked: 'Federal constitution assure equality between the sexes, races and everything. What is this?'
One women says it'll be funny when men try to get into the women-only bus and can't."
[November 19, 2006 (2006.11.19) 12:26 PM]

Been in Goiânia, and I agree that's a meaningless measure from an operational point of view.
Negligible impact on the male population.
But not so from a politic perspective...
The last phrase is interesting: the feeling of payback. That's the give away: they need it!
In a few months that bus will go away, if nothing else because of the waste and expense.
But then again, why should the women need that assertiveness device?!

He doesn't get it...

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If anywhere above I seemed to like the Ladies... It might be because I really do!

I came precisely from the same cast of this guy, only my neck of the woods moved a few decades forward. Thirty year ago, I might even be like this guy, I can't recall. But I never lacked girlfriends, so probably not.

Oh, I understand the guy fine!!!

I just want to get to his waste basket...

Nuno
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Speedy Gonzales (about the pussy ****):
...... I like him -- he's silly! ......
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Nuno, interesting reading from a guy who´s been there and done that. A big thumbs up and thanks for taking the time!

[NunoEFSilva]

Yeah, thanks Ray. You've been there too and you saw the huge contrasts.

The guy may have some points, but he's only talking about his local patch and from his age & station in life. I'm sure his ideas will quickly broaden (and mellow) with his studies and travels. After all he's not a dumb kid (but is a really fun budding writer, at least in Portuguese, I'll give you that).

Brazil is too wildly diverse to be put in a single one-size-fits-all box; not even an entire zoo would do!

There's also this cultural habit in the Portuguese-speaking world of bad-mouthing everything (It's a nasty sport, I agree.) Something that's even more characteristic then fado, bullfights and soap-operas...(Cantigas de escárnio e maldizer.)

A few years from now, with money to bring a sweet homey girl from the interior to the big city, this fellow (he'll figure it out) will tour the out-of-the-beaten-path villages along some calm summer and will return home with the love of his life. Then we will see a new Blog on a very different tune...

Nuno

About Brazilian Bachelors, the ultimate was Jorge Guinle. Unfortunately Mr. Guinle made wrong financial decisions in his life. Never the less in terms of romancing famous and beautiful women, some would agree he made Hugh Hefner look like Bugs Bunny.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

Brazilian Playboy Jorge Guinle Dies

By Adam Bernstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 8, 2004

Jorge Guinle, a once-wealthy playboy who romanced several movie stars, died in poverty on March 5 after refusing to undergo surgery to remove an aneurysm in his aorta. He was 88.

Heir to one of Brazil's wealthiest families, Guinle moved to Hollywood in the 1940s. He took a job reviewing scripts set in Brazil for accuracy, and spent his off-hours partying with movie stars like Orson Welles and Ronald Reagan. He even shared an apartment with Errol Flynn.

Known as "Jorginho," the suave Guinle bragged in interviews and in his memoir, "A Century of the Good Life," about his romantic liaisons with Rita Hayworth, Ava Gardner, Veronica Lake, Marilyn Monroe and several other beautiful starlets. Although he was married three times, Guinle earned a reputation as a playboy who threw lavish champagne parties until he squandered his entire fortune. He spent his final years living off a government pension.

"The secret of living well is to die without a cent in your pocket. But I miscalculated, and the money ran out too early," Guinle once said.