Colombia v.s. Brazil

Just when I have decided upon where my future bride will originate from, my friend from work confuses me more. He was down in Brazil last year, and told me that HIS friend had lived in Columbia. His friend told him that he wouldn't have a Columbian woman because of their temper. Otherwise, the women looked the same. This man lived close to Rio De Janero and said that the women there were much nicer. Have some of you been to Brazil? Is there a difference?
Thanks!
Doug

[HonkyTonk]

First off, it took the board 3 months to teach Jim how to spell Colombia, South America. Read the archives and you may pick up a few tid bits of info on spelling Now, if you're refering to S.C. I agree that the women of most anywhere south of our border are friendlier than the ladies of the US. Also check archives under Trip Reports about Brazil by Ray. I guess if you don't speak either language it's a toss up. No way I'm trying to learn Portuguese too If you can't find what you're looking for in 80 godzillion women in Colombia and Caracas and Lima then it just plain can't be found.

There's just no place on earth where all the women are perfect 10's and just dying to go out with the likes of us The grass is not always greener. I like new places as well as the next man, but for a bride..she will speak Spanish and all I have to fight is a few worthy Gringos, not all the trash in Europe!

Thanks Honkytonk! I did not even know about the "archive" until I did a search.

[Junfan]

I don't know about the Brazilian women, but my girl has a temper. That brings us to the jealousy issue. The Colombian women are extremely jealous. This is a society deal related to competition for men and or status by the females. I mean, the Colombian culture is full of broken marriages and multiple girlfriends. That is why the girl you are with in Colombia is always busting your balls when you look at another chick

$$$$note: I highly recommend reflective sunglasses whenever you are in an area that me be full of hot Colombianas....remember, breeeathe, relax, don't rotate your head, and use your peripheral vision$$$$$$$

Let's just say she's given me enough of a hint that I won't be cheating on here if I value my jewels....

Mike

In my opinion HT is correct.

I think Brazil woman have worse of a temper than Colombianas.

[Jim]

My fiancee has the most even temper of anyone I have known. After reading this, I asked her if she ever got mad. She told me she did but I haven't had any indication of her temper in two months being with her.

I personally feel that comparing cities in Colombia or other countries like Brazil as to "what the women are like" is an exercise in futility. More precisely there are better things to concentrate on since there are loads of elgible, desirable women in all parts of Colombia and probably Brazil.

The advantage of Colombia is that you are not charting new waters. Colombians marrying gringos is big business and there is lots of precedent. Also Spanish is a lot more useful in the US than Portugese.

Peace,


Jim

Gringos,

I tend to agree with Jim on one point. Out of the four Latin countries that I have visited, Colombian women are - by far - the calmest and least volatile of all Latinas that I have met. I also lived in South Florida and met Latinas from all over. Many Latinas practically view arguing as foreplay. Not Colombianas. Colombianas, in general, do not like to argue. Most don't even like controversial topics. However, the one exception to this is what JunFan68 pointed out: jealousy-based arguing.

However, Jim is completely wrong about the utility of stereotypes. There are very concrete stereotypes about the women in every single Latin country. Talk to Latin men anywhere. Furthermore, there are stereotypes about the women in every city of Colombia. Talk to Colombian men anywhere.

Knowing these stereotypes is crucial. All Colombianas know the stereotypes of the women in their respective cities. The women in particular cities often will try to conform to the "positive" aspects of those stereotypes; the "negative" aspects of those stereotypes are often used as an excuse to justify other behavior.

Are there some women that don't fit the stereotypes of their particular city? Of course. However any rational, self-interested Gringo will learn the stereotypes anyway. Why? Because those stereotypes originate in Colombia, not among Gringos. The Colombians themselves place great emphasis on the stereotypes. The very same stereotypes do affect how the women in different cities behave - not all of the women, but definitely most of them.

Different Gringos seek different types of women. Rational, self-interested Gringos will go to the Latin country & city where the stereotypical woman from that city meets their desired physical & personal traits. As an extreme example, if you like natural blondes with blue eyes that value efficiency & emotionless logic, then don't go to Latin America at all. Try Germany or Scandinavia or wherever.

Furthermore, Jim also has his thinking backwards about another issue. It is definitely better to go to Latin countries & cities where Gringos are a rarity. The less competition, the better. The only drawback of Costa Rica, for example, is the degree of competition from other Gringos. However, even in Costa Rica, "young" Gringos with social skills and the ability to speak Spanish have a blast there. The fact that meeting women is "big business" in Colombia is a negative aspect of Colombia, not a positive.

I have never been to Brazil, so I have no opinion about it. However, Portuguese is a very useful language. More people speak Portuguese in South America than speak Spanish. Global corporations are very eager to hire Portuguese-speaking Americans.

Jeff

There seems to be a lot more Brazilian women moving to Atlanta where I live at least compared to the number Colombian women I meet here. I'm sure that is due to the fact that visas are easier to obtain in Brazil.
My experience is they are basically the same as far a temper goes. However, the Colombian women I have dated are a much more suspcious but equally jealous.
Brazil like Colombia is full of beautiful women but on avg. nothing compares to women you meet in Cali. Also the comp. from the locals is much higher in Brazil. At least this was my experience. The guys in Brazil were generally better looking than the guys in Colombia. Of course the Brazilian women for the most part prefered the American guys.
I like S.P. much better than Rio. As I prefer Cali to Bogota.

What nice about Port. is it is very similar to Span. My Spanish on a scale of 1 - 10 is a 9 according to most Colombians I meet.

Even though I have NEVER studied Port. I could communicate with the women there speaking Spanish to them and having them speak slowly to me in Port. I would say that if you are fluent in Spanish that would at least make you a 5 on a scale of 1-10 in Port.

For those of you who like tall women the women of Brazil seemed to be taller on avg. than the Colombia women.

Don't be fooled by the hype I have never felt unsafe in Colombia (Bogota or Cali)
but had the **** scared out of me in both Rio and Sao Paolo.
You have to watch yourself in Brazil the guys there like to fight and will pick a fight with you in a minute. The only assholes that started something with me in Colombia have been other American guys.
At least three times last year I had other American guys get jealous or drunk and start looking for trouble with me or other Americans guys that were hanging with me.

In fact an hour after I left from Martins last month on Thursday night in Cali. A drunk American guy seriously attacted another American guy half his size in the street in front of the bar. Evidently he was jealous that his Colombian girl who was there with him as a friend only was interested in this other American guy who spoke to her only to be polite. I will not mention any names but from what I heard from 3 others who were there it was awful.

Ken

I was in Cali at this time. Did we ever meet? I never heard of a Martin's bar.

Ken,

The simplest explanation for why more Brazilians are moving to Atlanta than Colombians is that there are way more Brazilians than Colombians. There also seems to be a desire on the part of Brazilians to congregate in inland "Southern" cities like Atlanta, Orlando, etc. I know nothing about Brazilians or their culture, so I have no theory about why they are doing this. Possibly so their children assimilate faster? That's my best guess. (I mean "Southern" in the cultural sense, not the geographic sense. Miami, for example, is not "Southern" in a cultural sense.)

Yes, I also have noticed an unusually high degree of suspiciousness on the part of Caleñas - much more so than in other Latin cities. Caleñas are extremely "desconfiadas" in general. However, I didn't notice this in Barranquilla. Unfortunately, the "typical" Caleña possesses a variety of negative personal qualities that detract from their undeniable physical beauty - including dishonesty, suspiciousness, etc. However, Caleñas are "tranquilas" (even-tempered, not argumentative) as compared to other Latinas.

It is not surprising that Gringos were at the top of the totem pole in Brazil. The "supply" of Gringos is low there; the "supply" of Eurotrash is high there. Gringos were also a rarity in Cuba and, thus, at the top of the totem pole as compared to the ubiquitous retirees from Italy & Spain. (The occasional exception were the women from families composed of Castro fanatics.) In Costa Rica, some women actually prefer the Eurotrash because they are somewhat rarer and because they don't get as drunk & belligerent as the Gringos do. The Eurotrash - especially the Italian men - also dress better than the Gringos.

I still say that Colombia is dangerous. Maybe Brazil has more petty crime and violence. I don't know. That crap doesn't worry me. I don't care about being mugged in Brazil or wherever; I do care about being kidnapped in Colombia.

Jeff