Seven Cubans Desert National Team

[LastLion]

I guess that Castro Brother can't keep them either! Cubafro what is the deal here man! 7 men from the cuban futbol team desert and ask for refuge in Miami! Seams like a high percentage of cubans still want to get out under the thumb of the Castro regime!

Here is the article:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/72024...onal-team.aspx

[dixietraveller]

Originally Posted by LastLion

I guess that Castro Brother can't keep them either! . . . . Seams like a high percentage of cubans still want to get out under the thumb of the Castro regime!. . . .

Can't imagine why they want to leave that socialist paradise! I wonder what percentage would leave if they had the opportunity. Still I'd like to visit Cuba and see it first hand. Maybe the players will now want to return since the government has lifted restrictions on buying DVD players and air conditioners!

[Cubafro]

Originally Posted by dixietraveller

Can't imagine why they want to leave that socialist paradise! Maybe the players will now want to return since the government has lifted restrictions on buying DVD players and air conditioners!

Hahahahaha such a childish comment but whatever!!!!!
LL,
To answer to your question it is pretty simple..All this cubans if they had the money, the food and the freedom to travel , to open up to the world you would not see such a high percentage of cubans leaving the country!
Dixie or anyone here can tell me before CASTRO what was so good for the cubans??? We had casinos, drugs, prostitution everywhere and still no money...On top of that we were controlled by selfish governement who didn't do anything for cuba! so please talking about socialist paradise DT give me a break!!!! .
You see LL I would think that if RAUL succeed in reestablishing a confidence in peoples mentality which I think will not be that hard as doing the revolution, we will see how it will drop the number of exiles !!!
Oh BTW ELECTRONICS WAS ALREADY IN SALE IN CUBA so I really don't know what you guys were thinking about CUBA and no it's not a ****hole where we have a devil ****ting on us all the time...I still believe that the castro's main idea is not that bad it was just the way it was applied !!!!But that's just me!!
I understand my compatriots who are looking for exile looking to make more money and to be able to bring food on the table and much more possibilities!!!
I hope I answered your question LL if not shoot it I'll answer you
PS: Now we're talking about cuba because of this 7 men who runned-away from the national team?? This is not new and it's exist everywhere even in the states for differents reasons but it's exists (us citizens coming to canda for whatever reasons )....Anyway if there is people really interested to talk about cuba join the discussion but if it is to hear stupidity better cut it loose and give us a break and this is especially for you DIXIE

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[dixietraveller]

Cubafro, Sorry if my sarcasm offended you. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. My comment was meant to be sarcastic and referred to the policies of Castro (and not intended to cast aspersions on you or the people of Cuba). It might interest you to know that in my much more younger and more idealistic and radical years (the 1960s), I was a big supporter of Castro and the Cuban revolution. I was even a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and read countless books defending the revolution, so I'm well aware of both what life was like before the revolution and what achievements (but at what cost!) the revolution brought. In any case, we both seem to be glad that Raul is perhaps a few degrees more pragmatic and sensible than his older brother! And, as I said, someday I would still like to visit so that I could see things first hand! And maybe someday you and I can even sit down together and discuss what was right and what was wrong about the aftermath of the revolution.

[Cap'n Jib]

".... anyone here can tell me before CASTRO what was so good for the cubans??? We had casinos, drugs, prostitution everywhere and still no money...On top of that we were controlled by selfish governement who didn't do anything for cuba! so ... ." - Cubafro

This is the point EXACTLY!


I remember ‘better dead that red’ era. The problem with that type of narrow mindedness is what was the condition BEFORE the red. I met an East German recently and he ‘personally’ did not suffer at the hands of the communist government. His complaint now is that everyone has an opinion but no one does anything…..interesting.

Labels are dangerous! Use sparingly please.

[Cubafro]

DIXIE, It's cool and apologies accepted
Yes I would like to have some discussion with you on the revolution and much more ...I was not born yet when he took the power in cuba but have had somehow admiration for Fidel ; as I said SOMEHOW because as everyone I guess He is not perfect and could have done lot of things maybe differently but it is always easy to redefine the way things should have been done when you are not in the shoes of the interested one!!!
Capn'n JIb I don't know if I understood what you were saying in your post but my question is so true though...I don't recall any other regime in CUBA who did things really for cuba and cubanos/as!
Just hope as I already said that we will see the light of a new and better era for mi cubita


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[Cubafro]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Jib

I remember ‘better dead that red’ era.

Hi Cap that the p0art of your post that I don't catch !! can you explain me that please??

Originally Posted by Cap'n Jib

The problem with that type of narrow mindedness is what was the condition BEFORE the red. I met an East German recently and he ‘personally’ did not suffer at the hands of the communist government. His complaint now is that everyone has an opinion but no one does anything…..interesting.

Well I don't know about this guy but I know that in a way or another I have been living in communism, socialism and as everything has his good sides and bad sides..He is right about the fact that people just open their mouth and do ****!! To be honest with you what is scarrying me is the fact that CUBA open up too fast to the world and we loose control ...It's like putting a lion in cage for so long without food and just drop him all of a sudden in jungle full of antilops or other foods for him ...Don't know if you got my point

Originally Posted by Cap'n Jib

Labels are dangerous! Use sparingly please.

So true again but hey I think after falling down so many times in winter due to ice yu will be more carefull and aware when seeing freezing rain spot on the road ...I do take your advice and don't think I am using labels


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[HonkyTonk]

"To be honest with you what is scarrying me is the fact that CUBA open up too fast to the world and we loose control..."

Cuba, you brought up a most excellent point that I've often thought about.

I think everyone wants a bright future for Cuba no matter the assinine way our government's gone about it for the last octillion years. The last thing I'd like to see is for Cuba to make a fast drastic change like the USSR did. Russia often wonders if it was better off a communist state. They're still having a very difficult time dealing with democracy and the problems it's brought; drugs, organized crime etc.

There's an expression that's too often lost on the powers that be..."The wheels of change turn slowly". Let's just hope that Cuba gets a little bit better all the time. I can picture that happening with Raul in control and maybe moreso when Fidel dies.

The world should understand that democracy doesn't come easily to those who have lived under a dictator or communism. Think Iraq too.

I'm not trying to make any kind of political statement about which form of government is right or wrong. I will say that when the people of any country have to live in extreme poverty, something needs to change. With all the bull**** coming out of Chavez' pie hole, you'd think the poverty level in VZ would have been erased by now

I believe Jib can explain the term "Better Dead Than Red" than I can but I'll give it a shot.

Red=Communism. When the US was that close to a nuclear war with the USSR, the expression was better dead than red, meaning that the people of the US would rather be dead than be communist. If it meant a war? So be it...

Do you think Cuba will change for the better with Raul in power? What do you see in the future when Raul passes on? He's not a spring chicken you know

[Cubafro]

Originally Posted by HonkyTonk

Cuba, you brought up a most excellent point that I've often thought about.

I think everyone wants a bright future for Cuba no matter the assinine way our government's gone about it for the last octillion years. The last thing I'd like to see is for Cuba to make a fast drastic change like the USSR did. Russia often wonders if it was better off a communist state. They're still having a very difficult time dealing with democracy and the problems it's brought; drugs, organized crime etc.

USSR did make real and good changes and I guess avoiding completely violence, drugs cartels is kind of impossible ...I know that there is some cubans who appears to be good elements for taking the lead of the country in a better camino.

Originally Posted by HonkyTonk

The world should understand that democracy doesn't come easily to those who have lived under a dictator or communism. Think Iraq too.

That is so true brother Honky but I think also that people who have lived under a dictatorship will be more aware of a possible danger bringed back to the power!! Some friends back in Montreal were asking me if the people of cuba are ready for a change and will adapt themselves!! Well my answer to that is that if they were uneducated I would be worry but in our case everybody at least know how to read and most of the population is educated; or maybe I am just an idealist wishing strongly that we see something different for my country than poverty and dictator

Originally Posted by HonkyTonk

I will say that when the people of any country have to live in extreme poverty, something needs to change. With all the bull**** coming out of Chavez' pie hole, you'd think the poverty level in VZ would have been erased by now

Again this is what I was saying!! Just hope we will choose someone focused on the well being of the people and the country instead of himself!!! Chavez is an ass and the worst part of it, he knows it and love it!!!

Originally Posted by HonkyTonk

I believe Jib can explain the term "Better Dead Than Red" than I can but I'll give it a shot.

Red=Communism. When the US was that close to a nuclear war with the USSR, the expression was better dead than red, meaning that the people of the US would rather be dead than be communist. If it meant a war? So be it...

Thanks for the explanation !!!

Originally Posted by HonkyTonk

Do you think Cuba will change for the better with Raul in power? What do you see in the future when Raul passes on? He's not a spring chicken you know

Honestly I will say yes; not a change so drastic but something reasonable...I believe because he is from the old guard so may still have some close minded ideas on some subjects and for some reasons I would agree with him.......The future is full of possibilities Honk but still I do think that should be build by the cubans only!!! I'm not talking about those who are living to miami thinking that they do have the best potential and don'T know anymore the real reality of the country..someone like me would be I think foolish to say I would be able to lead this country because it will not fit with the reality!!He is not a spring chicken for sure but so far I do like his style and think that as always will think twice for the pueblo and won't be rigid as his old brother!!!


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