Influence of Chavez on Colombia

[Zorro]

Received this interesting letter the other day... food for thought...

OJO CHÁVEZ PODRÍA ELEGIR AL
PRÓXIMO PRESIDENTE DE COLOMBIA
Lo que voy a mencionar me parece muy inquietante, pues de acuerdo con las
Cifras, Es muy posible que el próximo presidente de nuestra querida
Colombia, la Colombia de los que vivimos en ella, sea puesto por
Chávez!!!

Cómo?
Pues bien. En Colombia la presidencia se gana con 8 millones de votos o
Menos y hay 4 millones de colombianos aptos para votar en Venezuela , la
Gran mayoría de bajos recursos y bajos niveles de educación, y sometidos a
Trabajos paupérrimos, quienes muy fácilmente a cambio de una residencia o
Nacionalidad venezolana, ayudas económicas menores, compra
de votos o
Promesas de mejor trato laboral podrían votar desde Venezuela por
El candidato que seleccione Chávez. Es más, esta gente podría estar
Obligada a votar por el candidato chavista bajo amenazas de ser expulsados
O inclusive amenazas a su integridad física o económica. Si a esto le
Sumamos el aporte de Correa en Ecuador , de Morales en Bolivia , y
Obviamente de Ortega en Nicaragua , las posibilidades no son despreciables
Estaré errado?

De buena fuente --un compañero que vivió en Venezuela, que tiene acceso
A ciertos círculos chavistas, -- sabe que esta es una estrategia que H.
Chávez que ya empezó,
Para así tomarse a Colombia y logar por las urnas lo
Que las FARC no han podido conseguir en 45 años. No descartemos que en los
próximos meses Chávez empiece a nacionalizar colombianos, a tratarlos
Mejor, y a cambiar su discurso hacia Colombia , para ganarse su voluntad.

Creo que debemos empezar a preocuparnos por este tema, y desde ya
Generar conciencia en torno a la importancia del voto, movilizando a todos
Los que viven en Colombia y en el extranjero, donde hay un buen número de
Colombianos aptos para votar.

Quizá debemos presionar leyes para volver a la nacionalidad única, o
Mecanismos que depuren los votos en las representaciones de Colombia en
el
Exterior y exigir un registro electoral auditable.
Circula este correo y empecemos desde ya, para no tener que lamentarnos
En el futuro.

SE IMAGINAN A CHÁVEZ MANIPULANDO Y DÁNDOLE ÓRDENES AL PRÓXIMO
PRESIDENTE DE COLOMBIA Y DECIDIENDO SOBRE NUESTRO FUTURO CON SU PROGRAMA
CASTRO - COMUNISTA, COMO SUCEDE EN BOLIVIA , ECUADOR Y NICARAGUA ? SE
IMAGINAN EL ROL DE LAS FARC EN UNA COLOMBIA GOBERNADA A DISTANCIA POR
CHÁVEZ? QUE TAL DE MINISTRO DE DEFENSA AL MONO JOJOI, MINISTRO DE CULTURA
AL NEGRO ACACIO, MINISTRO DE RELACIONES EXTERIORES A PIEDAD CORDOBA Y DE
MINISTRO DE EDUCACION A MORENO DE CARO?... QUE DIOS NOS AGARRE CONFESADOS!

Analicen también
con cuidado la campaña de descredito que se ha iniciado en
El país contra Alvaro Uribe y los partidos políticos, que no es más que el
Comienzo de la campaña presidencial del polo democrático para llegar a las
Elecciones presidenciales con un Alvaro Uribe desgastado y así ellos
Presentarse como los salvadores de Colombia apoyados por los petrodólares
Del dictadorzuelo de Chávez....!OJO! QUE EN PAISES DE CORRUPTOS, Y COLOMBIA NO ES LA EXCEPCION, 2.000 MILLONES DE PETRODOLARES DADOS POR
CHAVEZ COMPRAN UN PRESIDENTE...¡PIENSELO Y ACTUE ANTES DE QUE SE DEMASIADO TARDE
COMO EN VENEZUELA¡...HAGALO POR EL FUTURO DE SUS HIJOS..!VOTE EN CONTRA
DEL POLO DEMOCRATICO..QUE DE
DEMOCRATICO NO TIENE MAS QUE EL NOMBRE¡

ESTA ES LA UNICA CADENA QUE VALE LA PENA ENVIAR A 10, 20 , 30 ..A TODOS
SUS AMIGOS

[LastLion]

Wow, what a letter, what is really sad about a letter like this ZORRO, is that it is based totally on fear. This is the sad truth about much of our brothers in the south, is that they must make decisions based on fear! Or at least they are led to believe that.

Chavez is losing his popularity in Venezuela faster than he gained it. Or at least in my eyes as I have been watching ven news for sometime now and have a very sexy special in the field commentator.
He is kind of like our Bush. Started off with a lot of popularity but losing it. Unfortuantely he has created a dictatorship and is pretty much still controlling Ven out of fear!!!

The second Chavez is found out ot be helping the FARC or any other paramilitary group in Colombia. Believe me the **** will hit the fan. If our CIA doesn't take him out (could easily be the case no matter how peaceful of a president we get in 08) than there could quite easily be a war between the 2!

[Lostagain]

Personally, I think Chavez is thinking in long range terms of a Gran Colombia or New Granada which he, of course, would lead. I think the other former members of that Bolivarian unity of Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Colombia, may take a dim view of such a goal. Even those who pretend friendship with Chavez, I think, are a little uneasy about his grab for power.

If he were to ever attempt to achieve such a goal by means other than a plebiscite, I think he'd find a major intervention on the part of the followers of the Monroe Doctrine. More likely, he'll meet an untimely death as did the former presidents of Panama and Ecuador in explosions on board air planes. More than likely Chavez will get caught helping to fund and supply the FARC and ELN, and will end up pissing off most of even those who pretend to support him now. They all have fear revolutionary threats of one kind or another and don't want to see further instability in the area. And, they're kind of touchy about their own national sovereignty. He'll become increasingly isolated and will end up being a much easier assassination target by some unhappy group in Venezuela, maybe a former RCTV employee.

[Zorro]

There are all kinds of links to Chavez and FARC.
http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=vi...&language_id=1

He even publicly expresses sympathy toward them. I guess there just hasn't been a direct trace of his oil dollars going to them, but I would bet my bottom dollar that he has given them money. They have camps in Venezuela. They cross the border into Venezuela and they're safe.

Though I know Chavez isn't popular with people of any means in Venezuela (those who can afford to get out), he still worries me. I have run across quite a few poor people in Colombia who think that Castro's ideology is great. He gives the people education and health care, though it's not worth anything. Chavez is the same... he promises to take care of the poor. But he's just an extreme case of the old idiom, "If it's too good to be true..."


Z

[LastLion]

Originally Posted by lostagain

If he were to ever attempt to achieve such a goal by means other than a plebiscite, I think he'd find a major intervention on the part of the followers of the Monroe Doctrine.

For us less educated LA WTF is plebiscite?

[El Capitan]

Definition of plebiscite - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

[LastLion]

Thanks LA! Nice link!

[Cap'n Jib]

Chavez talks a good game but his ‘legs’ are too short.

One leg, the anti-U.S one, is always popular however, the downside risk to other countries is greater that Venezuela. For better or worse, the other countries in the ‘Gran Colombia possibility’ need the U.S. but not in the way the U.S. government believes. They need us to keep the playing field level between the countries in Latin America. There is a considerable mistrust between these countries and it may be time for our government to quit the ‘divide and conquer’ approach but I am not going to hold my breath.

The other leg is Chavez is just not that popular the Latin America. When Chavez started waving good old Simon Bolivar’s sword over his head at a photo opp, the newspapers in LA skewered him. There were even a few comments from political types which were none too complementary. Chavez is not a Simon Bolivar. Even if he were, remember that Gran Colombia started to unravel almost immediately. I would not expect much difference this time.